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Equine photos needed

Postby Shannon Fleury on Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:41 pm

Hi,

I am new to the forum, and wanted to say Hi! I am not a photographer, but I am an artist... I am looking for images (mostly Equine related, but some wildlife and farm related as well) that I can use in my artwork. I am happy to include the name and any links wanted along with posts of my artwork on my Facebook page, and Website as well. Also, I will print on the back of my artwork (if wanted) the name of the 'reference material photographer' .

I am prepared to pay a small fee if needed, but would rather send the photographer a copy of the finished artwork.

If you happen to have any photos I may be able to use.. please let me know via email - artworksbyshannon@msn.com

My Facebook page is - https://www.facebook.com/ArtworksByShannon

My website is - artworkbyshannon.com OR artworksbyshannon.com :) Thanks so very much, and I hope to make some new contacts!

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Re: Equine photos needed

Postby Julie Ward on Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:55 pm

*sigh*
If I had a nickle for every request for my work for free I could retire (and I'm sure most photographers get the same offers all the time). I'm not sure how having one of my images in a different medium or having a photo credit pays my bills though.

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Re: Equine photos needed

Postby Barb Young on Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:36 am

If I had a nickle for every request for my work for free I could retire (and I'm sure most photographers get the same offers all the time). I'm not sure how having one of my images in a different medium or having a photo credit pays my bills though.


I doesn't! "Photo credit" doesn't pay the bills, and those who ask for use for "photo credit" aren't known well enough for anyone but very few to ever see the photo credit. As hard as most of us work, when people ask for free (or just take without permission), I feel very disrespected and misused. I work every bit as hard (probably harder) than the person who wants something for nothing.
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Re: Equine photos needed

Postby Stephen Crowers on Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:43 am

To be fair, she did mention a small fee or bartering a print of the finished work - not free use. It might not be what you feel it's equivalent value, but it's something...

If Teri Miller asked me for use of one of my photos in exchange for a copy of a painting based on it - I'd probably jump at that chance - because I love her work and I know what it's worth (a lot more than most of my images)... horses for courses, you know?

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Re: Equine photos needed

Postby Sharon Packer on Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:11 pm

Terri Miller paints from her own photographic works as does Patricia Powers. Shannon, my suggestion is that you take your own photos for use in your work. Perhaps some photographers who are just starting out will be willing to allow usage rights to their photos for a small fee or bartering. For some of my photos, I've paid as much as $ 4,000 to get to the location where I have taken them. Not to mention the cost of the equipment and my time in editing. There is no way, I would allow them to be used for a small fee or seeing MY work through someone's else's eyes. What you are asking is truly no different than if I asked to reproduce one of your creative paintings and gave you a small fee. Pro photographs are our works of art.
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Re: Equine photos needed

Postby Stephen Crowers on Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:32 pm

Terri Miller paints from her own photographic works


Agreed - and I had included that in my original version of my post, but removed it before I hit the submit button (obviously I should have left it).

I guess I was just trying to point out that a one-size-fits-all rule isn't necessarily appropriate. It all depends on the commercial value of your image and your own personal feelings... And re-interpreting other artist's works is kind of SOP, isn't it (Richard Prince, notwithstanding)?

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Postby Sharon Packer on Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:54 pm

I think I said that some beginning photographers may be interested, especially if they do not have a lot of money tied up in the shoot. I applaud Shannon for asking! I have had some of my photos painted, sold, and then the artist confide in me afterwards as if I should be honored. In that situation, it was theft, and I was not honored. Yes, some photographers may be perfectly willing, so let them speak for themselves.
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Re: Equine photos needed

Postby Sharon Packer on Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:55 pm

Forgot to mention, that all one has to do is Google "royalty free" horse photos to come up with an abundance.
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Re: Equine photos needed

Postby Stephen Crowers on Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:16 pm

Sharon, I apologize. :oops:

I think I've got as much of a knee-jerk reaction as I was pointing out earlier in the thread. I read your comment on new "photographers being willing to allow usage "and internally added "foolishly" into it. It's the damn "NEWB" stamp on my forehead that does it... ;)

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Re: Equine photos needed

Postby Sharon Packer on Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:24 pm

Not to worry, Steve. :wave:
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Re: Equine photos needed

Postby Sharon Packer on Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:51 pm

Shannon, here is a possible example of copyright infringement. This photo belongs to Violetta. I just downloaded it from your Facebook Fan site where you stated you were working on the painting and thanked someone with different initials than Violetta for use of the photo. Maybe that person has a usage rights agreement. I hope for your sake you know. There are other professional photos on your Facebook site without credit given to the photographers. Unless you have a usage rights agreement from each of those professional photographers, you are committing copyright infringement. You are a very talented painter, and I hope you do not want to begin your career by violating the law.
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Postby Barb Young on Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:08 pm

btw the U.S. Copyright law provides for $250,000 fine for copyright violations.
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Re: Equine photos needed

Postby Juliet Harrison on Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:07 pm

Ok...you are all going to hate me for this....but I have a whole blog devoted to images that are free for use in paintings. I did this because for quite a long time, I have been totally connected to the equine fine art world. The images that I have posted are ones that I would never market as my work, but could provide interesting inspiration for a painter. And I have no problem with them being used that way. I frequently shot in color as a practice for me, but did not previously market color images. I generally ask that a jpeg of the finished piece be sent to me so that I can post it with the photo on the blog for others to see how photographing can be reinterpreted in painting by different artists.

Shannon - The blog in question is here... http://equinepainterschallenge.blogspot.com/ . I do ask for photo credit where possible.

Juliet

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Re: Equine photos needed

Postby Juliet Harrison on Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:10 pm

I should add that I wholly support the defense of copyright and the payment to photographers for use rights of their photographs.

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Re: Equine photos needed

Postby Libby Rosen on Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:36 am

Juliet, I don't think the issue is someone giving away a license to use their work. You are basically making your work part of the public domain by signing away your rights. You are saying 'you' want no value for your work. Its your work so its your right. The issue is trying to use someone else's work without licence.


The painter is not painting to give her paintings away for free. She thinks her painting have a value but wants original photograph for nothing. That is telling the other artist their work has no value but hers does. That is the insult. Her paintings are derivatives of the original copyright work. If she doesn't have a licence from the photographer to produce a derivative of the work, she has no right to touch it.

The same issue arises when magazines ask to use your photo for free. "you'll get advertising" I've yet to see on that was willing to give their magazine including advertising away for free. Again they are saying their work has value but yours doesn't.

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